WILLIAM F BUCKLEY - FRIEDRICH HAYEK - GEORGE ROCHE - A SOCIAL JUSTICE DISCUSSION FROM 1977
WILLIAM F BUCKLEY - FRIEDRICH HAYEK - GEORGE ROCHE - A SOCIAL JUSTICE DISCUSSION FROM 1977
we have two guest George wrote is the president of Hillsdale College in
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Michigan
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a venerable small coeducational Institute
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unabashedly devoted to the cultivation at the mall
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imagination and the presumption in favour love the private sector
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our second guest is the
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senior libertarian economist in the world
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nobel laureate Friedrich von Hayek
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mister IQ are very famous essay on the intellectuals and socialism
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in which you want attempt I think quite successfully
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to show why a socialism the soon nubile
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for the end for the intellectuals on
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what what is that this is the view was and you still are
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defended you know certainly guess Pilates
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very into listings fell into a link between apes of saddam
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ideas which government's thinking into the
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eighteens essentially he said Pierre we can
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that we can make everything to our pleasure
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that we can decide in social institutions
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in there working now
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that is basically mistake social institutions
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have never been designed and didn't do much more than we knew
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if grown-up consists of selection
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of the successful some people frequently no
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late success that applies to the market the market
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is the I was going to say most ingenious
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ingenious without having been decent
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installment which enables us to utilize knowledge which is distributed
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monk I'm home for thousands of people it's an
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about tation to posing for circumstance which never moves
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the nobody epic and new as a whole the present crisis
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formed on the market 10 the individual
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what to do and what not to do into social interests 90 to understand this
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you have to know economics
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needs person we mansions
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also distribution of income is determined by somebody deliberately did
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me it seems that if this is
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civic responsibility of a particular guide says
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evidently dumb Birmingham trust effectiveness is not being done
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unjustly because we achieve all that we do achieve
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by having come to agree to pay is sort of game
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in which game of the market is a liking to call it
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in which because we're utilizing
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more information more facts in anybody know the outcome
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for particular individual is necessarily unpredictable
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9 outcome which is I'm predictable in I'm designed
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any public and be just just that little worse outcome of a game
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both trials can be just game but people who sent this
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and the people who mentioned all could be possible
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to design also use to arrange this
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except to government to do this in the men looted distribution
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his just this is literally
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impossible because able to the choir that
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all this widely dispersed information about particular facts in particular
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circumstance
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people would give can be used in control
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by simple food good one why couldn't I could be
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fact why couldn't the rule up the Justice make a
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come at the and on the process by
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taking from someone who has more than he needs
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for the purposes that is fine somebody who has less than the
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specific names part of his income is going to be taking flame there's no
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inducement for him to do their particular thing
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if I knew that the fed with Ingrid fetch a very high price
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to for without being taken from and I can do something much more pleasant for
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further saying come without paying any income tax
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I'm going to do with not going to do what most beneficial to society
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where but in point of fact them a great many people
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who are taxed at the two-third to rate continue to be very productive
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all well I thought well there's poop deck before think could
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me odd let's say they are less productive than they could be
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but how do you answer the question that the demands of justice
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or perhaps approved have to
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you have permitted in absolute distribution to the proceedings
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to the mall i'm new possible who
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of just distribution in the system was the distributions not
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deliberately is the result of people bringing in about
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mean justice is simply beautiful
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individual action I can be just Wellcome Trust
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towards my fellow man but the conception
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of social justice to expect from an
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impose more pushups which nobody can control
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to bring about a just to sell is not only in
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meaningless conception it's completely impossible
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see everybody talks about social justice but if you
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press people to explain to you what do you mean by social justice ultimately
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pics except there's just nobody knows I
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telling you because they've been playing for the past 20 years Afghan people
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what really are you principles social justice
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is that your notion that a society
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or not to undertake redistribution
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because it cannot to find blasters or
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because it has no legitimate
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of our to engage in the activities
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using both as a matter fact it occurs to me that
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such a thing as social justice becomes almost a contradiction in terms because
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if you examine the philosophical roots
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that produced the modern egalitarianism
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ideal those roots contain all
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sorts of departures from the idea
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that it is possible to establish a difference between right and wrong
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they deny the operational moral framework and ultimately come to the
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utilitarian goal at
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all ideas and all their lives are reconsidered essentially on their own
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merits
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and the same people who have said that and are busy then undercutting
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a the more traditional values in western civilization
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are the same people who then go on and prayed about social justice
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as though somehow the assignment numbers
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love quantification will tell us something about justice and
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infected wanna the so I don't think that you can
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define social justice you can define social injustice you can produce a
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socially unjust situation
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what to do so you what you've really done is undercut individual morality and
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and the opportunity to to make those choices that have genuine moral compass
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suppose you have a state
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in which some X
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green conditions exist in one area the state
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fifty dollars a year is spent towards the education
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up a child in the other and the state a thousand dollars
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the spent towards the education are
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other child I is
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is the concept blast
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is in vocal in the society that says
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we must do what we can
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to diminish that antibodies
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we must pay more
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for the education %uh the child down
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in the southern region even if it means diminishing the ground
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to the child in the obviously is is this
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is is this as thus far described
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irregardless of at hint at quotes justice
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no morality is a difference between right and wrong
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in concrete specific decisions and transactions between and among
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individuals when this is elevated to a social plane hit
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it ceases to have any particular recognizable content as justice
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but but but is is that
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terminal logically subjective if
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and individual decides to give soccer to the hon
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a hungry person are why is that
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different from 10 individuals giving
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sucka 10 hungry people privately and you don't know nor even if the use the
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instrumentality
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above the crowd because at that point I become the soccer for them because it
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quite
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taxes that the company there's it's fine for you to decide to be charitable it is
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not
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fine for you to be charitable with my resources as opposed to yours
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in fact is no charity connected with them well
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this really depends on the rules to society than that wants raises the
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question notices I'm great with your essay
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that says the most of his and mean
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is the fact that the people of oklahoma and two people from New York find it
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convenient to have a common system of law whose
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a justification with two people were got home and amounted to people of New York
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homes of their pocket
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persons to people who claim movement mean it's a question which he
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on through a high-speed rikki there's nothing like a model agreement
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which key create such in fact it's nearly perfect will
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where that use to power ones be for common state that this apollo
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it is accepted as legitimate that this power
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takes out of pocket from the French at home for a bit
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now does that mean that if you have a world government we can
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taxi Americans to all Americans to eighty percent of their incomes and also
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maintains a Chinese
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in that the same principle applied the once even international government they
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were busy international Powell
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live two planes and is perfectly legitimate to certain political
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government
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decides to text all Americans eighty percent of the income
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handed over Chinese and pizza Chinese whatever way we may think about
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desirable future you walls of moles a
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no doubt to existing rules with most small plus the fat
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and I would maintain that in fact
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when today they will the politics
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United States a heavily taxed in favor of the
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put a pulse this is not
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the result of pinnae mole agreement majority of the american people
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but soon with a flick that whatever party is in power
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needs to do to Oklahoma and pays for the roots of Oklahoma
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it's a cost a few people to win few parts nothing else
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well at but the motivations
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I love the people who past those rules
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are not necessarily the motivations of people who
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are propelled by demagogic pressure
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on you not you not to mind disinterested
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generosity exercise the legislature it's entirely different map is International
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Journal said
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germans want nothing action but to claim with the
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is consensus of the American people
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which also license legislature to
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bring about a certain redistribution of income using
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track never did not poop American people have never
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calls principles they ought to be applied this
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all they are asked her all the out told this
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in fact the the public input Democratic Party
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promises you such-and-such will be in pole only
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if it buys to support a few people in oklahoma and since you know that you we
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get from
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Democratic Party when you what to expect for me you vote for me
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and to take into account the necessity the role with the democratic party gets
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into power
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it has to pay special benefits people will promote with what
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comes to
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lives am a business to jeff greenfield
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East or is your skepticism about social justice
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justice confined to the spear economics
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or you skeptical about any ability to define it classical demand is
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it's a state hope to played all people is
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equally in spite of the fact that they have a happy
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unequal you can deduce from this
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there who it because their people hot I'm equal
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he ought to t2 unequally well to make them unequal
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and that what social just three months to it's at the mountain
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that the state should 3 to different people differently in all took place in
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the same position
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you who of equal treatment applies
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ending close things the state has to do in any case
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but to make making people equal
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goof governmental policy would force government to keep people guessing I'm
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equally
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me
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hun
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