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How Elites Will Create a New Class of Slaves | Whitney Webb | The Glenn Beck Podcast
a campaign of Lies can hide anything and
with the magic of disinformation
mysterious deaths can be quickly brushed
off as suicides even when all of the
details don't add up and there's so many
stories now that just don't add up
public assassinations can happen right
in front of you and you'll never know
who was really behind it or why as long
as the powers that be push a great
narrative the same lie over and over and
over again
Jeffrey Epstein infiltrated the highest
ranks of every sector of power you are
going to learn a lot about the world
today he was into law enforcement art
Wall Street Silicon Valley big business
real estate philanthropy media academics
and banking he even wormed his way into
high fashion he hung out with Nobel
prize-winning scientists and billionaire
arms dealers movie directors famous
actors journalists and lots of
politicians including heads of state not
just here in America and he has a very
special bond with Bill and Hillary
Clinton
we still don't know who took part in his
many crimes and they are vast this is
nothing short of political terrorism
theater facilitated by the media
today's guest as you will hear
I just finished it and you will hear
halfway through
I say maybe it's halfway through I said
I think this is the most important hour
I have ever been a part of in broadcast
I've done this for 45 years this is the
most important person and hour
you can you can spend
today's guest has a gift for locating
power and hunting it in its darkest
corners she realized that Epstein was
not an anonymous an anomaly she is
somebody who has written two volumes on
just him but you will see it is
connected to entire networks of power
and influence a web of Elites who
operate under the principle that rules
are for other people her two-volume book
One Nation Under blackmail the sordid
Union between intelligence and crime
that gave rise to Jeffrey Epstein is out
keep your eye on this one she is sharp
she is a massive threat to powerful
people if people will listen and do
their own homework and just explore what
she's saying
the game is up
she's the kind of writer
who reminds the elites that they're not
actually above rules and we're not all a
bunch of Rubes
please welcome Whitney Webb
I can't wait to get into this podcast
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thank you
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welcome I am a huge fan of your work
um uh you have covered some of the most
important stories I think
um in my lifetime wow thank you and you
are so clear on all of them and most of
these stories are the ones you can't get
answers on they're they're all the
stories that the big and powerful want
to hide want you to not see what's
really going on and it's
it's so frustrating because it's clear
that these things are happening and
should be discussed you you worried ever
about
your safety
um no and the reason I say that is
because I think you know
um a lot of what we're facing is an
energetic and spiritual uh battle I
guess you could say and
um I think in order you know if you're
afraid of of these people yeah
um you're giving them power over you and
I think really the only way to to win
this is to have your commitment to you
know what you're fighting for the good
about Humanity to be total right so good
for you
how old are you uh 33. you you write and
think and speak like you're 80 and very
wise thank you you must have a good
parents
um okay so I want to talk to you if we
can in an hour I want to mention Bitcoin
get a little bit of that journalism
transhumanism ESG the world economic
Forum we're not going to be able to get
to all of it but we have to start with
Jeffrey Epstein because the way you have
written about him it connects to a whole
world of corruption yeah is he kind of
the Rosetta Stone
yeah I think it's sort of like a meta
Scandal you're looking at someone who
really had I guess for lack of a better
metaphor had his hands and a lot of Pies
right right so he was sort of at the
center of a lot of scandals but not
necessarily at the top right I think he
was more maybe middle management in a
sense but very Central to a lot of these
things going on that sort of these um
networks in which he
um in which he inhabits are involved in
you know numerous acts of corruption
simultaneously and he you know is there
involved in many of them but not
necessarily at the top level right
so was he was he a spy
I think he definitely had intelligence
connections and there's a lot
um you know to suggest that was the case
I think one of the most uh the earliest
hints we heard of that was having a
Secretary of Labor Alex Acosta under
Trump uh say that one of the reasons he
was pressured into giving Epstein a
sweetheart deal during his first um
arrest in in Florida was because he he
had been told by unspecified actors that
Epstein belonged to intelligence but
that's kind of you know what exactly
does that mean was he an asset was he on
the payroll which intelligence agency
multiple intelligence agencies when you
have his close association with someone
like Gillian Maxwell in the mix and her
father had affiliations with numerous
intelligence agencies you know it really
is an open question it was kind of a bad
guy
reading your work about him and explain
who he was uh so Robert Maxwell was
involved in many things but he
definitely played a major role in
undermining U.S national security by
selling bug software to nuclear
Laboratories in the United States and
this was directly facilitated by
well-known Statesmen in U.S history like
Henry Kissinger for example and a lot of
the people I think that enabled him at
least on the U.S side tend to be those
that uh
favor Global governance and you know
they kind of don't want the U.S to have
that kind of Monopoly on on power
because all of his family they were
killed in the Holocaust right right and
so he he's in the west England he
survives becomes
kind of uh William Randolph Hearst of
England yeah media Mogul sure yeah
um and uh and then
betrays the west and that's not because
he was on the other he wasn't on the
Soviet side he was on a global
government side well I think there you
have to look at this network and they've
evolved over time right uh Robert
Maxwell is very close to the Eastern
Bloc he had a very close relationship
with intelligence figures in the KGB and
also Bulgaria he had a relationship with
British intelligence and Israeli
intelligence and was involved in aspects
of what later became known as Iran
Contra which of course involves aspects
of U.S intelligence so I mean he had his
hands and everything you know everywhere
and everything and I think ultimately
people like him are interested in any
deal they can make to advance their
money and their power and their
influence they'll take it so Robert
Maxwell was very interested in having
his family be like the Kennedy family a
political power Dynasty and that's part
of why he started moving into New York
City around you know just a year or two
before he ended up dying and galane
Maxwell was sent to New York sort of to
be his Emissary wow and to the U.S and
he wanted her actually to marry a
Kennedy and this is a test of two and
you know past mainstream media reports
and you know you can see his his efforts
to get her close to I think one of the
sons of Robert F Kennedy
um and also John F Kennedy Jr trying to
get her sort of in that social
tier because he sort of saw that as you
know would Advance his power and also
you know that of his children and I
think if you look a lot at the
psychology of Robert Maxwell he seems to
have had narcissistic elements and that
could be because of the trauma of his
past and a lot of times narcissistic
parents see their children as extensions
of themselves and so you know he's
looking at how to build an Empire and
using his children to that effect and
you sort of see that with the psychology
of Colleen Maxwell
was she
part and parcel of from the beginning or
was she uh you know kind of a good girl
idealistic comes over here you know
knows that Dad wants to put her into
powerful positions but not shopping
women I I think it's a lot more
complicated than that you have to look
at her early history
um the favorite son of Robert Maxwell
was originally Michael Maxwell he wasn't
a vegetative state after a car crash I
think when he was 15 and that happened
shortly after just a few days after
galane was born so new her family
members and she herself have attested to
that she was basically neglected for the
first three years of her life and even
developed a childhood anorexia
things like that and then you know not a
few years after she becomes the favorite
Child so she goes from having this
complete lack of Parental attention to
being sort of showered in it by Robert
Maxwell and that obviously has is going
to have a psychological impact on
someone
and in addition there's uh she was
basically
managed by her father from a very early
age he managed her tried to manage her
romantic life he tried to manage what
job she would have and she was very
dependent on him so when he is dead in
1991 it makes sense that she would
attach herself to someone with a lot of
the similar similar characteristics
right so Dad didn't know about Jeffrey
Epstein wasn't alive at that point well
the allegation have been made by people
that worked with Robert Maxwell
um in the 80s that Jeffrey Epstein was
seen in his offices frequently in the
United Kingdom and during that period of
time it was known that Epstein was
active in the United Kingdom he was
allegedly being mentored by a British
arms dealer named Douglas lease with a
British intelligence connections yeah
first of all you wrote two volumes yeah
a thousand Pages yeah I mean that is
crazy amounts of work yeah I had my son
was born in the middle of it so it was
really crazy you were there for that I
imagine when your son was born
um so tell me
a thousand pages and it's not there's no
fluff in it I mean it is it's dense it's
very dense
why is it nobody else is reporting on
this
um well I guess I could I I don't really
know exactly why that would be but the
the silence is very eerie about major
aspects of the Epstein case
um you know it ended up being a thousand
Pages because I was as I was writing
about Epstein a lot of the connections
that came up I was I was just you know
increasingly aware that a lot of people
in the American public
um you know a lot of the names I was
coming across most people weren't going
to be familiar with correct you know um
Banks like the bank of credit and
commerce International or BCCI the
Scandal that involved or even things
like Iran Contra people may have heard
the name but don't really know what it
involved so I figured I was gonna have
to go back and sort of explain that to
people so that type of context is a
volume one of the book and um and also
the history of sexual blackmail and how
it's been sort of an undercurrent in
some past political scandals in American
history and how in in these sorts of
networks in which Epstein was inhabiting
that type of practice and exploitation
even of minors for those purposes was
actually
um disturbingly common so Epstein starts
to look less and less of a you know he's
not an anomaly basically right
um by the time you get through with
volume one and so volume two is sort of
my effort to
um you know dig up as much as I could
you know with stuff that's publicly
available really about Epstein and also
his greatest benefactor Leslie Wexner
and then also uh you know Colleen
Maxwell okay so so uh this is just
there's a lot to discuss there's a lot
to discuss here on just this because
it's this goes to the Deep state or you
call it deep politics
and it's been going on for a long time
but people I don't think realize
that you know the born identity you know
those Jason Bourne movies that that is a
reflection of some people's real lives I
mean it's a it's a totally fictitious
story but those things do go on and
and I I I tell you I have I have felt
for a long time with the just with the
NSA listening to everybody's phone calls
if you're important in Washington
they're going to do everything they can
to manage you to manage you yeah so if
you're not rock solid in who you are and
what right and wrong really is they got
you yeah
but even they don't you know today I
think we've moved away from the type of
model that Epstein used for sexual
blackmail it's an era of electronic
blackmail and you don't even have to do
anything wrong they can just plant it on
your devices and play gotcha that way so
it's really an unprecedented situation
and a lot of these intelligence agencies
as I know in the book you know really
for decades have been totally out of
control
um and you know I really start off the
book talking about how intelligence
agencies and organized crime in the U.S
got in bed together and really that
symbiosis
um you know it was originally Justified
out of wartime necessity during World
War II yeah but it never stopped right
right and it's um you know business is
business and some of these people in our
own National Security State you know
realize they could make a lot of money
working with organized crime and really
shielding them and getting in on the
spoils I guess you could say
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you know we think of
in my idealistic years of thinking about
America I thought well we did some bad
things yes and I'm not talking about
slavery or anything else I'm talking
about things we did in war but we had
you know
we really didn't want to do those things
I'm not sure if any of that is true are
the people involved in this stuff do
they recognize at all that this is evil
or is this just business well I think
when you're talking about an
intelligence agencies there's
hierarchies so there's like people maybe
low in different levels that may think
what they're doing is right and
advancing American interests but then
there's people at the top that aren't
necessarily like that and it's about
advancing their own interests if you
look at a lot of controversial
intelligence operations and decisions
coups for example of the past a lot of
it was justified as going against
communist influence trying to to keep
that from growing but then some of these
same actors
like the Iran Contra types they ended up
getting involved with the Chinese
government just a few years later in the
1990s and some of this blossomed into
what a lot of conservatives today
remember is China Gate during the client
Administration and things like that so
you know they really have no allegiance
to anything except uh their desire to
grow their own money and power
are we ever going to find out who's in
the black book
I don't think so I think the FBI has
been compromised from the very beginning
uh in the book I talk a lot about J
Edgar Hoover he was blackmailed by the
mob he realized the power blackmail had
started using blackmail himself and you
know increasingly the FBI and I think
it's very obvious to a lot of
conservatives now comes in to cover
things up and to you know go after uh
you know figures that they you know
don't want to advance in their careers
or you know any sort of thing it's it's
very um it's very complicated so what do
we do as a country when you know there
needs to be massive investigations of
all sorts of stuff Jeffrey Epstein being
one and you know the government is
increasingly capable incapable of
investigating itself especially when
you're looking at the FBI or something
can we just go through some names like
Alan dershowitz and Bill Clinton and
Donald Trump
what were they involved in
uh so
um so each of those cases is really
different but if I'm looking at you know
I guess the one that's gotten the mo
gotten the most attention obviously are
the former presidents right Trump and
Clinton as far as I'm concerned the
Clinton Epstein relationship is much
more damaging than the Trump Epstein
relationship but they're you know are
obvious reasons for concern uh in both
of them and I don't think it's uh you
know I in in trying to be objective you
know I can't absolve one or the other
but are you saying are you saying
because one is more damage because
people don't understand it's not just
the horrific evil sex trafficking that
was going on it's also massive
corruption and financial Financial
crimes and yeah and that's particularly
glaring with the Epstein Clinton
relationship you have someone like
Jeffrey Epstein that described himself
in the 80s as a financial Bounty Hunter
he was hiding or finding looted money
for powerful people that's coming from
him and he said this to numerous people
there's numerous source is attesting to
this so obviously he was very
comfortable with the offshore Financial
system Shadow Banking and all of that
and then in the late 80s in addition to
becoming involved with Leslie wexner's
finances he is involved in orchestrating
one of the largest Ponzi schemes in U.S
history the other person he worked with
in that Stephen hoffenberg you know is
arrested and goes to jail for that in
1993 Epstein's name is dropped from the
case and he ends up at Clinton White
House fundraisers
and one of those fundraisers is involved
Hillary Clinton's effort to alleged
effort to refurbish the White House and
this makes a brief appearance and Vince
Fosters quote unquote suicide note the
only mention of Hillary Clinton in that
suicide note is relating to her and
khaki Hawker Smith redecorating and how
there was nothing wrong with the
finances there if you're
um you know listeners are familiar with
the Vince Foster situation and how
Hillary Clinton her office was involved
in finding the suicide not when there
was nothing in the briefcase and all of
that later it's very interesting the
only mention of her name would be in
trying to absolve that particular
fundraiser of you know any wrongdoing
which might have been Foster's
responsibility and that's Jeffrey
Epstein's you know one of his first
interactions with the white house
there's a picture of him shaking hands
with Bill Clinton at that fundraiser
donor reception and only UK media
covered that when it came out last
December I gotta tell you it's pretty
stunning I only see stuff that I kind of
trust from UK now I read any if there's
any scandal going on in America I trust
the Foreign Press more than I trust
Harper well isn't it stunning that
there's a picture of you know the claim
has been for a long time that the
Epstein Clinton relationship only really
began after Clinton left office and then
you have a picture contradicting that
and it doesn't get any coverage so how
does there's something else there
obviously I was shocked to learn from
you that
Ron Brown I I remember he was a guy who
was on a plane going someplace Croatia
yeah Croatia and it crashed and and
everybody was like that's another
Clinton murder and I've never really
bought into the I mean you wouldn't have
to push me far but I'm a fact guy you
know what I mean yeah show me the facts
um
unravel to understand the Ron Brown
situation because it's tied up with that
what I mentioned earlier China Gate
which was uh very difficult even for
Congress to investigate the man at the
center of it who was also the man that
Jeffrey Epstein met with repeatedly at
the White House named Mark Middleton he
pleaded the fifth 28 times including uh
to the question is was he a foreign
agent
and pretty much every key figure they
tried to subpoena also pleaded the fifth
and there was just um you know it was
very difficult to investigate and even
the George W Bush Administration the
first invocation of executive privilege
of Bush's president was among other
things to block documents about Mark
Middleton being made available to
Congress and the 911 happens and
everyone forgets wow it's it's very
amazing because Mark Middleton was not a
high-ranking guy
he was uh an aide to uh Mac McLarty he
was chief of staff and then a senior
advisor to Bill Clinton
so why are you having the subsequent
president stepping in for Mark Middleton
there's obviously a lot going on there
because at the same time that Mark
Middleton is involved in China Gate he's
meeting with Jeffrey Epstein and Jeffrey
Epstein in that period of time is
arranging for the relocation of Southern
Air transport the Iran-Contra Airline
from instead of going from Miami to
Latin America it starts going from
Columbus Ohio where Leslie Wexner is
based to Hong Kong
so are those events connected I make a
case for that in the book and if if true
it's very very disconcerting because
basically you know to summarize China
Gate you have a mass transfer of
sensitive U.S military technology being
made to China it's being paid for by the
pla or the the Chinese military and Ron
Brown was at the center of that because
the Commerce Department Commerce
Department was signing off on you know
all sorts of so why was he then
supposedly killed he uh shortly before
he was unexpectedly asked to go on a
trade mission to Croatia he agreed to
cooperate with an investigation into
this particular Network that was
executing China Gate and the people on
the U.S side that were facilitating
China Gate were people that were
connected to the networks of longtime
Clinton benefactors the riyadi family
and Jackson Stevens who you know were
sort of political King makers for Bill
Clinton when he was governor of Arkansas
it's how much crazy how much of what we
think we know
is wrong or how big of a role is what we
think we know to what really is
happening well I think there's been a
major effort to control the media and
how much information gets to the
American public about all sorts of
things if you look at the Epstein case
you're only allowed to talk about his
sex crimes from 2000 to 2006. don't look
at his financial crimes or any of the
thing he did before the year 2000 is you
know pretty much how mainstream media
handles the case and that's pretty
you know there's a lot to find if you
can go back farther so when you're
you're looking let's just look at
Epstein for a second when you're looking
at his circle of influence
he is
somebody who's kind of recruiting just
getting people on tape doing horrible
things or raising money so they're in
the pocket right is that kind of his
role I think that's part of it but at
the same time you know he's doing a lot
of that he's also involved in financial
Crim you know Financial crimes pretty
much throughout his career I mean that's
the Common Thread from Epstein from the
70s right until his son know that if he
was working as an operation that would
kind of be over I think it was known I
mean even in January 2020 you have John
McCain's wife Cindy McCain saying we all
knew what Epstein was doing right and
this is the wife of a senator with no
direct connection to the Epstein Scandal
so that means top people in our Congress
and Senate knew what Epstein was up to
and nothing was done and so does that I
mean is there a big body count
around Epstein yeah I think yeah I think
there is to an extent uh Mark Middleton
who I just mentioned was found uh hung
by the neck by an extension cord in May
with a shotgun wound to the chest
um and it was ruled suicide in Little
Rock Arkansas and a local Court ruled uh
pretty shortly thereafter that no video
or you know photos of the scene could be
publicly released
and this was only after you know Mark
Middleton had been involved in China
getting numerous other scandals but that
only happened just a few months after
the visitor logs of him meeting with
Epstein was released last December and
published by the UK's Daily Mail
so that's one but that's one recently
you also have Jean-Luc Burnell who was a
major uh facilitator of his uh sex
trafficking activities particularly when
it came to the modeling industry
um Turned Up dead in his prison cell
you've Epstein himself and then you have
uh the son of Esther Salas who was a the
judge overseeing the Epstein Deutsche
Bank case murdered at uh her home
let's not just gloss over Epstein and
his death
do you believe
he hung himself I think the official
story is just uh I mean it's it's crazy
uh personally because you know he he was
a tall guy he's supposed to have hung
himself from something that's shorter
than his standing height with like paper
thin sheets he would have had to curl up
in the fetal position to hang himself
and he's you're not going to do that
it's it's very uh it's logistically
impossible we're supposed to leave all
the cameras malfunctioned that night
um you know the prison guards were
asleep it's a lot of coincidences
um so who would who who would we have to
believe
I mean that would have to involve
lots of government Lots sure but he
belonged to intelligence and if you look
at you know someone like Robert Maxwell
he died off of his yacht uh he had a lot
of ties to intelligence things were you
know the walls were closing in on him
and his own daughter Elaine Maxwell
thinks he was murdered uh by uh Rogue
massage agents and Sicilian contract
Hitman
and that's coming straight from his
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I don't believe in the pizza gate
conspiracy you know that there's an
underground however
I I do think that there is
real evil at the upper levels that yeah
we've been engaging in and all of us
dupes out in the center of the country
are like oh no you know I how much how
prevalent is the massive corruption and
the evil with
well like I mentioned earlier the more
you look at the people that were around
Epstein even before Epstein gets
involved it becomes very clear that what
he was doing was not uh out of the
ordinary for these particular groups
especially like arms dealers like Adnan
khashoggi he had an alleged Harem of
women that he used to Blackmail powerful
people in the private and public sectors
on his yacht and all their sorts of
types of people
um Robert Keith Gray a PR executive that
started working for Adnan khashoggi
around the same time at Jeffrey Epstein
allegedly did has an alleged history of
sexual blackmail for the CIA and then
you have allegations of Roy Cohn the
well-known New York mob attorney also
being involved in sexual blackmail stuff
begins working for Adnan khashoggi in
the same period of time in the 1980s I
mean there are the more you look it's
it's quite uh it's prevalent but you
know how prevalent it is I can't really
say but it definitely does influence our
politics and that's disturbing is the is
the Clinton Foundation involved in any
of this it's just so
um I don't know exactly
um you know those types of activities I
have no evidence for that and I haven't
looked into it so I'm not going to say
it's not happening but I I just don't
know because I haven't looked right um
but when you like I mentioned earlier
about the Epstein Clinton relationship
he goes from Ponzi schemes to Clinton
fundraising then he's involved with a
lot of the 1996 controversial
fundraisers that were investigated by
Congress Clinton leaves office he's
flying around in Epstein's plane setting
up the Clinton foundation and the
Clinton Health Access initiative and
even credits Jeffrey Epstein back in
2003 with designing a lot of the
philanthropy that became the Clinton
Foundation specifically the HIV aids
program so you have a Serial Financial
criminal creating basically the Clinton
political slush fund Pro post presidency
the the um have you seen any connections
in Ukraine
there's this is just the hotbed of a lot
of really
nefarious players yeah um I haven't
looked into it specifically because a
lot of my timeline that I did for the
book you know stops before years like
2014 when there was this you know
basically a coup
um you know it was Victoria Newland and
some of these people from the Obama
Administration and all of that um so
unfortunately you know I haven't
personally explored that but I think
it's I mean even mainstream media before
the recent uh conflict there was you
know pretty open about the corruption in
in Ukraine so I don't know your politics
and it's not important to me what's
important to me is your character and
your work which is phenomenal
um
but uh
uh I'm guessing you and I don't
necessarily agree on policies uh you
know maybe I don't know I just you know
at this point I think my politics are
I'm I don't want the government to be
run by organized crime and I think
that's the starting point for most
Americans let's start there right you
know that's what I was driving to is
there are big things on the table that
no one's talking about and we're all
focused on the little stuff they've used
to divide and conquer us this whole time
and big things are happening and
basically we are being herded into a pen
a techno feudalism yes slavery I don't
know a lot of there's a lot of different
names for it going around but it's not
good right and it's organized crime you
know running the show at the highest
levels and also people I mean yeah it's
just getting so dark and yeah you know
I'm to the point where can you give me
nine of the top ten Bill of Rights you
know what I mean do you agree with those
give me some anything that is
all being destroyed all of them they
don't mean anything anymore but those
are the things that can bring us
together and they do I mean I'm sure
you're called a radical conspiracy
theorist
um
you know there's a difference between
conspiracy theory and conspiracy facts
sure so I would call you
conspiracy fact purveyor yeah uh I guess
so because conspiracy is a real crime
and it's happening and it's been
happening right and um you know a lot of
us are sort of fed this you know when
we're in school and stuff sort of this
naive I guess you could call it a fairy
tale version of History where there's no
corruption everything's fine the mob
disappeared decades ago nothing to see
here but that's uh not the real history
of this country tell me before we leave
Epstein tell me why uh
Maxwell's
the life oh oh I think it's pretty
obvious she's going to cooperate with
the people that supported that operation
and she's not going to spill anything
she got moved from the prison where I
think she was at the same prison where
Epstein died and now she's a what is has
been described as a country club prison
in Florida
uh that wouldn't have happened unless
she was like yeah just leave me alone
please I'll do whatever you want
all right let's let's uh I think she
knows from her father's death who not
true and who runs the show yeah
um how does this involve the regular
person why should the regular person
care about this kind of corruption
um in just talking about Epstein the
financial crimes uh they're very
significant and are just sort of a
microcosm of what has basically been the
Looting of the American public for
decades you look at people like
Catherine Austin Fitz and Mark Skidmore
who have calculated about 21 trillion
dollars of U.S taxpayer money that's
just gone missing uh from from the house
of Urban Development and the Department
of Defense right
it's probably more than that where is it
being
where'd he go where'd it go yeah who
took it I remember and it's still
happening and now we're having uh the
standard of life in the US being
degraded inflation's increasing the
squeeze is on thanks to Manufactured
food and energy crises and I think a lot
of the stuff we're seeing being built
for us people are currently perhaps
unwilling to accept but when they're
cold and hungry and desperate you're
exactly right I think that some people
will be more willing
you're not improving my mood much
well you know it's um we have to
understand what we're facing in order to
you know solve it right and a lot of
people with it I've been bringing this
bell for
uh almost 20 years now and saying wake
up pay attention look what's happening
and it just keeps getting more and more
obvious and
at times there are times you just like I
how do you deal with it
um well I'm a mother
um and I just uh I have to keep going I
don't know I have to keep saying
something because my kids are going to
live in this world right and there are
certain things that I just find
unacceptable and I think every parent
yeah proudly does at this point so you
know it doesn't really matter anymore
um and I think also if you're looking at
this from like the energetic spiritual
level it matter you know
um we have to keep fighting because
what's the alternative and what does
that mean for us even after we're gone
yeah right
so let me you know I first ran into you
um and your work I don't remember where
I saw you but you were talking about
transhumanism and this is something that
again I I think I was talking about this
in the 90s and saying that's been going
on a long time for a long time and
saying that this is what it life is
going to head towards and it's not good
and we should probably have a
conversation now you know we are on the
verge of this this is happening it it
could be faster than ever yeah yeah it
could happen 20 25 30 35 it's here now
yeah
explain what transhumanism is and why it
is so dangerous yeah so I'll just uh
probably start with the history of it um
so there was a man named Julian Huxley
he's the brother of the famous author
Aldous Huxley he was president of the
British Eugenics Society the United
Nations has created
um after World War II he is put in
charge of UNESCO
in writing his vision for UNESCO Julian
Huxley says about Eugenics we need to
make the unthinkable thinkable again ten
years later he coins the term
transhumanism in a book did he read his
brother's work
um I'm sure actually that Aldous
huxley's work was influenced by the type
of social milieu he inhabited it would
include his his brother and uh you know
sort of that those intellectual circles
uh where both of them grew up right you
know this is the British aristocracy and
really a lot of the idea of eugenics
going back to Francis Galton and you
know Darwinism and all of that he seems
to sort of emanate from from their
Fabian socialists yes yes
um so in in a book in 1957 I believe
called new bottles for new wine
something like that Julian Huxley coins
the terms transhumanism and talks about
how the new Eugenics is going to be
merging man with machine
so this is basically Eugenics rebranded
and a lot of people that funded Eugenics
causes of the past like the Rockefeller
family or you know big proponents of
transhumanism today and it's it's
getting uh increasingly problematic
um I would say you know if you look for
example at the new head of the FDA who
very few people have bothered to look
into Robert Calif he's the former Google
Health executive Google Health has a
joint venture with GlaxoSmithKline
called galvani bioelectronics I think
the former head of that was monster of
silaui who was in charge of operation
warp speed and their focus is what they
call bioelectronic medicine which is uh
you know injectable
nanotechnology that can manipulate your
central nervous system what are the
implications of that we have the person
that just purchased Twitter making a
brain chip company he's also a major
contractor to the US military he has a
major conflict of interest with a
Chinese
Silicon Valley equivalents like 10 cent
um and you know he says
I love this he says that's one of the
reasons why I want to get off the planet
he says his work is to find a way to a
compete against the transhumanistic you
know Folly
um uh you don't believe that at all I
don't I don't buy it no if you look at
that company they had animal trials many
of them of the monkeys that was tested
and died after the brain chip was put in
if that were my company I would
reformulate everything or shut it down
if it was going to kill that many
animals but it's already moved into
human trials I mean even though it's
killing all the monkeys well it killed
many monkeys yeah I forget the exact
number but a significant portion it's
see I this is where it gets frightening
well it's tied up with depopulation
right you have this being sort of the
new uh path of eugenics and so you know
I don't think these people ultimately
care about you know how many people are
left right smart and right well Eugenics
is you
I mean well people like to act like
Eugenics disappeared and it hasn't it's
just rebranded and if you look at the
history it's it's very clear and it's
very disconcerting that's why everything
you're seeing that is coming out of
policy all over the world ever all of
the all of the world economic forums
seem so the the medically assisted death
originally it was going to be for
terminally ill people now people are
pitching it to homeless people in Canada
saying you're too poor to live do you
want to kill yourself
um how do we not remember what happened
last time
well I think some of these people you
look at the Rockefellers they funded
what happened last time yeah
a lot of that uh money that was used to
set up the Nazi Eugenics program came
from the Rockefeller foundation and
that's a matter of record they've tried
to go back and say oh we're sorry but
they're funding a lot of this stuff now
okay so
um I think you're getting the impression
that maybe
maybe you should prepare maybe you
should help with a parallel economy
we may not be too far away from being
able to undo some of the damage that has
been done
but it's going to take all of us doing
our part
we got a vote we have to stand for the
truth
we have to be a little bit more like our
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you've read IBM in the Holocaust I
haven't read it but I'm familiar with
the relationship so
um he's a good dear friend of mine and
uh you know it's the same thing it's the
same thing now giant corporations are in
bed with all of this stuff and uh
someday they'll be hiding it and go no
no we didn't do anything with that but I
don't know if I don't think they even
have to now I mean if it really gets the
transhumanist point and they can just
manipulate
um you know this is an attempt to
manipulate Consciousness yes really
really so in memory and all of that I
mean they don't have to even bother with
it anymore uh once it gets to that point
I talked to Ray Kurzweil once and and I
said you put the nanotech note just help
me out here Ray I'm a science fiction
writer
you put the nanotechnology into me and
you control it not me you control it and
I start speaking out about things that
you and the powerful don't like why
don't you just turn me off why don't you
just oh you know what
and all that nanotechnology and I just
die
sure and his response was
because we wouldn't do that yeah let's
trust us how has that gone for the you
know past hundred years or so right and
if organized crime are the people in
charge are you going to trust them I
mean they want us to trust in them if
you look at the world economic Forum or
even in the bite Administration and a
lot of their policy documents they're
one of their main focuses on our
rebuilding trust with the public and
it's not working yeah it's not but they
may be looking at drastic interventions
to make it work and I think you know if
we're transhumanism to uh be sure
shorehorned uh shoehorned through you
know that could happen and if you're
seeing this
um you know the sort of these mergers uh
because there's many of them of Silicon
Valley companies and and big Pharma you
know they're framing it as Healthcare
but it's Eugenics Being Framed as
Healthcare and it's uh it's really
terrible I mean it's terrifying it's
crazy there's a lot of words for it but
you know ultimately uh it has to be
stopped and unfortunately covet has set
this precedent where it can be mandatory
or where you can lose your livelihood
where you can you know not be able to
travel you can basically be placed under
house arrest unless you agree to it if
you don't I mean in the grand scheme
of uh where we've all been upgraded
we're all part of the upgraded yeah I
don't think that's the intention that's
how they're selling it to people if you
look at this for example the British
Eugenics Society where a lot of this
came came from you look at someone like
H.G Wells best known as a science
fiction writer but also a a value
Genesis he predicted that in a 100 to
200 years there would be two human races
there would be the um upgraded augmented
Elite who were intellectual and
attractive and you know we're the ones
that did everything and then a
dwarf-like troll like squat underclass
that eats bugs
ah
and uh you know for people that have
been paying attention it seems like you
know they're selling this is as one way
it's all going to be a Utopia utopian uh
thing if we all upgrade I mean that's
how it's Being Framed right but if you
look at how these people think they
don't want that they're looking at
feudalism and how do you create a class
of slaves that cannot even cognitively
Rebel ever again it is why I mean it you
know these teachers unions said oh we we
care about you know minorities and
everything else they did more damage to
a whole generation of minorities more
than they did
kids in general into the yeah into the
gears of the machine I live in South
America the lockdowns there were brutal
everyone was under house arrest
basically you were only allowed out of
your house twice a week with papers that
you had to show to police you each paper
was good for like roughly three hours
and my daughter goes to daycare she's
four and she was thankfully you know
shielded from a lot of this and was able
to have interaction and stuff but a lot
of kids weren't and a lot of kids for
age and younger are non-verbal they
scream like instead of talking I mean
they can they're it's it's it's
devastating and the fact that these
people you know act like it was for the
children or for public health when you
know the evidence increasingly comes out
and it wasn't you know it was it was for
something else
and I think we're you know it's
increasingly becoming clear what that
something else is and was
what we're doing to
farming
the the the the the
ESG and World economic Forum plan is
evil I mean I I don't I mean it seems an
overused word and it's one I swore off
about five years ago I said I don't want
to call things evil because it it has to
be evil is a different level but when
you're talking about controlling and
dumbing down and enslaving and
destroying I don't know what other word
to use for it and they've gotten away
with saying this this is conspiracy
theory conspiracy theory well they just
you know I think that's you know since
the the term really entered the American
vernacular after the assassination of
John F Kennedy it's been used to
basically claim that if you think
powerful people get together to discuss
how to advance their power and keep it
um at the expense of everyone else and
that they have any agency
um you know you're crazy it all has to
be a coincidence you know they have they
never have any bad intentions the people
that you know are the oligarchs that you
know fund our politicians and have ties
with intelligence and have monopolies
and you know uh
the technology that runs our lives and
stuff like that I mean it's
um you know I think at this point you
have to be quite naive to think that's
actually the case but
um so how do people like the
um New
Governor I think of Alberta is standing
up against ESG and the first thing one
of the first things she said was anybody
that brags about how they have controls
and people in every government
uh leaders office if not the leader
themselves I don't think we should be
doing any business with them and
ESG and World economic forum is out
um how does somebody like that survive
somebody like Klaus Schwab
you know I think you know it's not just
Claus Schwab I think cloud Schwab is
sort of a man who is there to facilitate
I mean let's talk about the world
economic forum for a second and what it
is and what it's not they describe
themselves as the premier promoter of
public-private Partnerships for lack of
a better word that is fascism so
um then you have the family history of
Klaus Schwab that his father ran a Nazi
model company and funded the atomic bomb
and all of that and just very
complicated stuff there and you
basically have him being in this
position where he's promoting uh you
know fascism on a global I mean he's a
white kitty cat away from being a James
Bond Superman well but I think that's
you know they want everyone to focus on
him and think that it's just him and
just the world economic Forum there's
other organizations that are promoting
this too and also a lot of the you know
the young Global leader program that's
not exclusive to the world economic
Forum you know there's lots of other
institutions with similar agendas
uh you know that uh sort of are related
to the world economic uh Forum which
seeks you know not just public private
Partnerships and fascism but uh Global
governance you know there's a lot of
these organizations seating their people
in in certain places
uh so how do you you know fight against
this I think uh there are sort of like
factional infighting uh to an extent and
it's really hard to know
um how that's going at any given time
um but there's an obvious effort
um by powerful interest to stop uh
nationalist politicians from reaching
the highest level you think and yeah I
well I think it's pretty clear yeah yeah
so um you know how do they stop that I
don't know I mean unfortunately look at
the world economic Forum a lot of the
banks are very involved and when you you
know are in bed with the banks and the
banks are in bed with you
um it's it's very hard to go against
that in today's world
and you know they're making it uh even
harder on the little people people in
Canada that protested with the the you
know the trucker protest they were
de-platformed not from social media but
from the financial system and I think
that's going to become increasingly
common it's already happening to a lot
of people that I work with taken off of
PayPal uh having trouble with their
their Banks venmo I mean you know sure
and I think that's gonna you know become
increasingly commonplace and that's how
they're going to try and force
compliance and you know a big part of
this you have to move towards the
Central Bank digital currency and all of
that at the same time which is
programmable money the state decides
whether you save or you spend they
decide what you can and can't buy and
all this stuff and all the central banks
even on the you know in places like
Russia where Vladimir Putin talks a good
game about nationalism and protecting
our culture they're going full steam
ahead with that too
it's the way you control a population
yeah and I think all these governments
are really interested right now on
domestic control
so what does America look like at the
end China
that is the goal of a lot of people at
the highest levels of Silicon Valley in
our government I would say look no oh
sure I I
have friends who are industrialists and
they would say to me 30 years ago
China's the new model
and I thought that's a bad model we
don't want that they would just
flippingly just if China's the new model
it wasn't until 10 years later that I
started going wait a minute they mean
that sincerely that how it works there
all of it
is coming here yeah that's your plan for
a long time we talked about China Gate
earlier the origins of Silicon Valley
are in that
whole mix and a lot of the most powerful
people in our military industrial
complex including like Lockheed Martin
were involved with that and wanted that
sensitive technology to go to China and
undermine our national security they're
looking there's something there was
something going on there then and I
think we're increasingly seeing it now
um I wrote an article in 2020 about the
National Security Commission on
artificial intelligence they basically
say that in order to be competitive and
artificial intelligence and secure
economic and Military hegemony for the
United States we have to go beyond China
in terms of their implementation of
surveillance technology the use of
artificial intelligence moving away from
private car ownership which they refer
to as a legacy system in-person doctor
visits to the AI powered alternative
this was in 2019. before coven
covet comes along two years before that
I talked to the chairman of the board of
General Motors and he told me by 2030 we
won't be making cars as you know them
today we'll be making fleets yeah
because people Uber yeah it's uh you
know Ubers you rent and you can't
control where they go and they're only
going to be in the smart cities you're
not going between cities anymore no more
road trips no more you know you decide
oh I want to go over here today I want
to drive three hours to see my family or
whoever my friends that's that's over if
these people win and the National
Security Commission on AI was run by
Eric Schmidt former head of Google one
of the the co-chair was a very top guy
that works closely with Schmidt that was
at the Department of Defense and it's uh
the intelligence Community the military
and Silicon Valley and those are the
people increasingly running the show and
they think if we don't go beyond China's
surveillance
a system it's Mega City Smart City model
we will fail and then you have people
like Elon Musk coming in and saying I'm
going to take over Twitter for free
speech and then he also says I want to
make Twitter into basically like WeChat
which is you know and basically a
surveillance app to use in China that's
for uh your finances your social media
all pretty much everything
is on that app they even call it the
everything app and that's his model and
the parent company of that 10 cent is
one of Tesla's shareholders and you know
most active advisors
so is that data going to stay you know
that he's going to get from Twitter the
new Twitter when it becomes a WeChat
equivalent is where's that going to go I
mean there's a lot if you look at
um you know the China connection here
it's you know when I was writing before
I wrote the book I didn't realize the
extent of the overlap but it's very
concerning uh you have people with major
conflicts of interest running our
national security policy on things like
AI that have conflicts of interest with
China and they you know Eric Schmidt
just wrote a book with Henry Kissinger
and these guys basically argue in order
to avoid a war a cataclysmic war with
China we have to make good and cooperate
with China and the model for that is
basically you know the world economic
Forum I mean they argue the same thing
Global governance and technocracy
um following the China model here
and it's very against every Everything
most Americans are accustomed to but
they're I I guess finding ways to
manufacture consent for it whether the
justifications climate change it's covid
it's a food and energy crisis that's
been manufactured
um you know whatever they can whatever
will stick they'll use but the problem
is you're having the people that control
Silicon Valley behind this they control
where most people get their information
where most people socialize today and
they're increasingly censoring people
from platforms they're waging basically
a war on dissent that I've written about
a few times and it's getting you know
increasingly orwellian to the point
where you know they'll label you
misinformation or you know this is
disinformation uh but you know the Biden
Administration if there were in domestic
Terror advances the way they've written
it out you say the wrong thing or you
disagree with the state even or the
official narrative you're uh you know
inciting violence you're potentially a
domestic violent extremist right
um and that's happened in history before
not necessarily the United States but
other countries and you know it's pretty
clear that once that type of policy gets
implemented things go downhill very
quickly
do you have hope at all that
the if the Republicans could win it at
least slows it down I mean I think
people in the Republic there's there's
clearly people who go to Washington and
actually believe it and then are turned
uh or they go to Washington they're
already a dirt bag and they know what
they're getting into yeah and then
there's a few that go and stand and are
trying to hold the line but they're a
minority a big money or they get forced
out correct uh if I'm not mistaken Ron
Johnson right
um was the one that that challenged a
lot of covet narratives and I mean even
mainstream media in PR are supposed to
be objective says oh he spreads
conspiracy theories and his Challengers
a rising star and you know I mean
they're very clear about who they favor
and who they don't and if they don't
want you to win they'll gerrymander your
District they'll do so I mean there's
lots of tools and that they can use to
prevent you from
from staying in office and who knows
what we'll see in the midterm elections
But ultimately you know those type of
people that are willing to stand their
ground and actually fight for the
American people are very few
even in it doesn't really matter what
party you're talking about it's very
small number when you consider the
amount of votes needed to pass certain
legislation so I think ultimately
the way out of this is for the American
people to realize that we yes this is a
fight between good and evil but if
you're looking for the good guys stop
looking at people that are put on the TV
screens in front of you and start
looking at your neighbors yeah and the
answer is so clear
local local local local
absolutely and this is really US versus
them it's not left versus right anymore
we are so far beyond that yeah uh really
and it's amazing and very heartening how
many people that I know and I interview
that
um
we would have we would have been against
each other 15 years ago we would say oh
you're and now it's like no no no forget
Oliver forget all of that yeah you know
and it's heartening that people are
waking and starting to come together
question is do we make it fast enough
I've been saying for a while this is
going to be a photo finish I don't know
which one's gonna I don't think anyone
really does and I think it comes down to
how much responsibility people are
willing to take for their own lives and
and you know how how far communities are
willing to go to ensure that they're
self-reliant and what does that mean to
you
well if the banks are deep platforming
people you can't use their financial
system are you going to go to the cbdc
land where eventually you won't be able
to spend money without like a microchip
in your hand and all of this stuff you
know there's obvious red lines people
can't cross how are you going to feed
your family how are you going to keep
your house heated in winter you know
basic needs I think we should probably
be taking some lessons from the Amish to
be honest I think right you know
that the Amish they're going to be fine
they're gonna be fine we have
we have outsourced our needs to
corporations that want to enslave us so
we have to start producing our own stuff
at a local level it's all about exit and
build and that's what we have to do and
the more people that do that
um the better off we will be the real
question is how accustomed are Americans
to convenience and will we be enslaved
by that convenience or not and I think
that's the ultimate so far we have been
a lot of people have been yeah
um talk to me a little bit about Bitcoin
um so I'm you know not necessarily
um uh well-versed on cryptocurrency I do
um uh I I like bitcoiners because we
tend to have a lot see a lot in common
about um you know the state of
government today and uh the Federal
Reserve for example Central Bank Central
Bank digital currency
um and all of that but you know because
I'm not particularly well versed in it I
don't like to tell people how to spend
their money it's a very individual
decision
um you think it can survive uh I think
the central banks the bankers and the
government will do everything they can
to prevent a currency that threatens
their power from actually being able to
be used and I think we're already seeing
major efforts to make that the case you
know they can make it illegal to uh you
know turn it into something else illegal
to use is tender you know they they're
looking at a lot of different
options
um but you know some bitcoiners despite
that think is totally possible but I
don't think I'm horrified to talk about
that
um you know I personally have you know
um in terms of my finances like you know
some people donate to my work in crypto
I have a little bit of that but you know
I'm personally looking at trying to put
as much of my money as I can and things
that will keep me and my family
self-sufficient come what may uh which
in my case included like investing in
land so I'm not renting I own where I
live I have enough land to produce what
my family needs in terms of food
stocking up on things that I can't
produce
you know things like that that's where
my money is personally going but I am
not in the business of telling people
you know giving Financial advice beyond
that but you know if the goal is to have
developed parallel systems so we're not
dependent on the systems of the people
trying to enslave us you know whatever
you think is a good way to get from
point A to point B uh you know that's
probably where your money should be
going if bitcoin's a part of that if you
feel that way good for you and if not
you know good for you too I think
ultimately what we need to do is um uh
try and create something so that we can
be resilient and not have to uh I mean
because the system is just so
unacceptable
uh I mean it's an it's really not just
in in it's not just against freedom and
all sorts of other values right it's
just it's against nature it's against
life really and so I mean if you're
going to
support that you know I think people
have to realize the consequences that
come with that and exactly what it means
when you are are willing to give
yourself over that kind of system the
implications of that and I think a lot
of people don't really realize that or
take the time to think about it and I
think they should
are you God driven you is God a center
of you
yeah but I tend to think of maybe God
differently than most Christians I don't
really see it as a person or as a man I
see it as uh maybe the universe or the
creative Force right uh you know the
energy uh that drives George Lucas and
the force I mean there's a lot of
different ways you know to look at it
but ultimately if you're looking at
Humanity what do you like about Humanity
it's all the it's the creativity it's uh
the vivaciousness you know that's the
stuff that I think we're fighting for uh
and you know uh a lot of the guys behind
this want to to eliminate that I think a
lot of transhumanism is aimed at
creating like a drone-like Workforce
that will never be able to challenge
their working conditions or ask for a
bigger piece of the pie and it's amazing
to me that more people on on the left
don't see that if they're all about
workers rights and unionizing all right
you have a chip in your brain how's the
how's you know workers rights going
together how is Union
how are the unions in bed
furthering all of this well I would say
that you just have to look back to uh
the unions you know back in the 20s and
30s and 40s and how organized crime took
them over and that's really changed
um so the big ones I mean you know
um so it's um you know a lot of those
guys over the years have evolved to
support these types of of policies
because it's more control and money and
what does the mob love more than
anything else right
what
why is the left
you know
I've always held libertarian more
libertarian views when it comes to
social issues I don't care who you marry
I don't care what you do I don't care
who you love there's no no business of
mine shouldn't be any business of the
government you know that was a
progressive idea to have a marriage
license from the government
um
but we fought this and I remember saying
to my my daughter who was in college at
the time she said Dad it's about love
and I said I don't think it is I think
it's about control and this argument if
we play it out you can't stop polygamy
can't change one factor without changing
other factors
and everyone said these things were
crazy we we are now
transitioning kids
because there's no gender identity
anymore we are sexualizing our youngest
kids
what where is that coming from it's such
a force if your ultimate goal is total
control you need to have a population
that has no national identity that has
no identity period that that identity
can be fluxed and can be moved whenever
convenient for the people on top if
people have an identity and know who
they are and know where they stand
they're a lot harder to control and I
think if you make all of that fluid
um at every level
uh it's a lot easier to exert your will
over them because you know they they
don't have their feet firmly on the
ground right
I thought of this several times during
this podcast I think this is the most
impowerful interview I've ever done well
thank you yeah I mean I I
hope people listen and
open their mind enough to go
that can't be true I mean I usually
start my
investigations on things going no way it
can't be I don't do that as often now
because I'm seeing oh yeah it probably
is yeah
um
who were you before you started doing
this who I mean did you believe these
things or have you found these things
going oh my gosh and one leads to
another well I guess you could say that
when I was younger in my teen years I'd
have made her trust issue with adults
um and I just uh had a hard time I just
didn't believe what I was told a lot of
the time I had to figure it out for
myself and all sorts of things I guess
that's sort of a lot of some teenagers
um are like that but I um
you know around the time I was in
university the last year or two I sort
of figured out a lot of things about
um American history that's sort of
hidden from us
um
uh the government isn't exactly there to
help necessarily
I don't know how we went from hey
government is like fire with George
Washington saying if you're in control
of it it's good if it's out of control
it'll burn you to hey we're from the
government we'll educate your kids how
could you possibly think a government is
going to raise kids who say be skeptical
of us yeah well it's not you know look
at who has taken over education system
you go back to things like uh the
Rockefeller family or their role in
healthcare there's a lot of oligarch
families that have very specific agendas
that have really taken over government
policy and it's been like that for a
very long time
and they're not elected no one put them
in charge actually a lot of people used
to hate the Rockefeller family until uh
you know they started a major PR
campaign to Rebrand themselves as
philanthropists that a lot of other
unpleasant people have since followed
um and uh you know the long-term
consequences of that we are seeing today
um but anyway
um in terms of my background you know I
was you know 21 22 and just looking
around you know I'm 33 so I'm a
millennial right and most people my age
just you know I could see a lot of this
stuff like um
were too dependent on corporations that
have a lot of nasty uh agendas or do bad
things there's a lot of issues a lot of
illegal Wars no accountability at the
highest levels of government
you know if people my age don't start
doing something it's going to get really
bad uh and most you know most people
were like stop talking about that I have
Netflix and beer so I don't care
everything's fine as long as you know
I'm comfortable basically you know screw
your politics or screw your concerns and
I just uh then wait I left the U.S after
that how can the same group of people
that generation
claim that no you have to be an activist
you have to be involved in climate
change and you know I'm going to sit
down and glue myself to a wall like a
uh you know yeah well that's the
activism that's put in front of young
people today and they're being told
that's what activism is and that that's
the activism that's sort of in Vogue
because it's shown and treated by
mainstream media as sticking it to the
man these people throwing tomato soup on
paintings but you look at those groups I
think they're called just stop oil
they're funded by the Getty and
Rockefeller families in the family
family you know made their money off of
oil but you know they have a long time
interest in Eugenics and funding correct
um you know people that basically helped
create this sort of new environmental
movement that downplays uh pollution and
plays up carbon dioxide and that's all
we should be worried about and you know
it's human the biggest I think the quote
from the club of Rome is the biggest
enemy of humanity is man and for
furthering you know that narrative not
that you know it's not the corporations
that pollute or even the US military is
you know even by you know climate change
metrics the biggest contaminator of you
know the planet and all of that it's not
about those guys it's just about the
regular people but really what it's
about is controlling how much energy
people can use and if you control how
much energy a household can use you can
control their economic activity you also
control how many family how big their
family can get
and I think that's ultimately uh what
it's about it's not about the
environment for these people and a lot
of it is uh you know Wall Street driven
you look at the United Nations a lot of
the people they put in charge of a
climate change policy you have Mark
Carney a former head of the bank of
England and the Bank of Canada I believe
uh he's one of the guys that came in to
rescue HSBC when they were caught money
laundering for Mexican drug cartels not
exactly a good guy and it's very
unlikely that he is driven by uh concern
about the environment and then the other
person is Michael Bloomberg former mayor
of New York and uh billionaire guy and
so these are the people I'm crafting the
solutions and just like covid you don't
have time to think about what we're
telling you you just have to accept
these Solutions because if you don't
something really really bad will happen
and it's the same it's a sort of a
similar narrative to what you know was
played out with covid and everything
guns cars everything yeah so you know
people are being it's it's fear fear
given to get people to accept policies
they otherwise wouldn't accept because
they're told this cataclysmic event is
just down the line and trust us again is
the conclusion of that so you know
there's people that agree with the
narrative about climate change and
there's people that don't and I'm not
trying to really get in that space when
I talk about this stuff I'm trying to
point out that the solutions are coming
mostly from Wall Street and they're
things like carbon markets they're
things like debt for climate swaps which
back in the day used to be debt for land
swaps not about climate change you know
about other stuff
and then you have people like Larry Fink
of BlackRock and Michael Bloomberg and
Mark Carney coming together in something
like G fan saying why don't we give Wall
Street Direct Control of the IMF and the
World Bank
for climate change you know right how
can anyone on the left that's worried
about climate change sign up on that why
don't they talk about planting trees why
isn't Bill Gates the largest like
private land owner in the U.S now
planting trees like crazy if he's so
worried about carbon dioxide
um you know he he poo-poos the whole
idea of planting trees as a way to
combat climate change it's just carbon
markets and going to electric vehicles
and all of this stuff but electric
vehicles necessitates Mass Mining and a
lot of that mining is in places that use
child labor or it's going to be so
environmentally destructive you totally
destroy the developing World which you
know these people on the left supposedly
want to protect you're going to totally
destroy the environment
I live in the south of Chile in the
Andes it's one of the only areas in
Chile that's still like forested and
really nice not polluted water any of
that most of the mining in Chile is
historically in the north which has
become very polluted and has a lack of
water among other things and now the
mines are starting to move South because
of this demand
for more and more minerals for you know
electric vehicles and all of that a lake
that used to be used for tourism uh
there was some mineral I forget what it
is discovered in the Lakeshore and then
the water just disappears one season and
now it's ready to be mining right next
to a national park uh I used to live and
work in Peru they were talking about
putting a uranium mine next to Machu
Picchu and all types of stuff I mean
this is uh going the mining stuff is not
being talked about and uh you know
electrical vehicles are being marketed
as necessary but it's going to come at a
massive massive cost and I think that
you know again the environment then the
environmental movement is focused on
carbon dioxide if they were really
worried about the environment they would
also educate people on how destructive
this type of mining is and what it does
to the people who live there in the
environment and including in protected
areas there's a lot of species in this
particular area of Chile where I live
that are only there and they've uh you
know been there for thousands of years
and they'll not exist if a lot of this
mining goes forward but if you ask
people like uh Bill Gates for example if
you has a joint venture with most of the
other Titans of Silicon Valley called
Cobalt metals they say all of the
world's reserves of lithium Cobalt and
nickel must be completely mined if we
even want to get close to the electrical
vehicle Revolution so that means digging
up the entire Andes including areas that
are national parks right now
and uh even if they do with all the
reserves that we know that we have
you're not going to be able to reproduce
the amount of private cars and use today
it's going to be way less cars and so
they're just going to be I mean the
model's already sort of been out there
they fielded it in the UK recently you
can't drive out of your district and all
of that stuff it's going to be much more
controlled the freedom of movement well
it's not really going to be freedom of
movement it's going to be controlled
movement
last question
are you optimistic
um
so that's a tricky question you know it
sometimes you're working and writing on
this stuff I mean it's ups and downs
sometimes you feel inspired sometimes
you're like oh my gosh you know yeah
um you know but ultimately there's
really no other way to be except to
believe totally in a better future
um I mean we have to be totally
committed to that if we're going to do
it and do it quickly and
um you know I have a lot of hope uh that
um Americans when when things get really
rough will come together at least most
of us I think so too you know
um but you know in in the environment
we're in right now I think it's
incumbent on everyone no matter how
small or big your platform is to speak
up about what is happening uh I think we
are past the time about worrying about
what people say about you about at work
or at home wherever the president gave a
speech last night and he I don't
remember what he was calling people and
I thought but that just that is so I so
I am so far beyond caring about names
and labels that anybody you know and I I
think there are more and more people
around the world that are like I don't
care I don't care what you call me I
don't care you know what you do I I just
know what's true and I'm just not going
there with you well the government wants
to Define what is true and what is not I
wrote a recent article
um about that in explaining some of the
calls to basically uh make it such
um and it's it's you know even if they
try and do that and they try and say
this is the state you know the state is
defining truth and if you deviate from
that you are inciting violence
um and all of that but the problem is
people at a visceral level gravitate
toward the truth so they hear it and
they're like oh that makes sense or they
look at the sourcing or they investigate
for themselves and they realize what is
true and what is not so you know the
state and silicon Valley and there's
really not that much space between them
to be honest at this point you know they
can try and and censor and manipulate
and whatever but ultimately people are
going to gravitate towards what is true
and there's going to be a point where
they're not going to be able to really
the tools they have now will not work
and I think a lot of that is that time
will come once people stop trying to use
these platforms that they are
manipulating and start just going out
and talking to people they know we have
to get offline and we have to do it
quickly maybe even get back you know in
circulating in print stuff that's
printed I mean we really have to stop uh
depend being so dependent on these on
these platforms that they're obviously
manipulating I think everyone knows
about it or they're censoring people
from and they're using it to profile you
you know stop giving them your data and
start getting in the real world and
telling people uh what's what I mean
they may call you crazy but the stakes
are too high to not do it that's how I
feel
thank you my pleasure thank you thank
you
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